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>> yes. i mean i think he pressed the panic button because it's a close election, so he said if he was re-elected he would an next about 10% of it, home to about 400,000 jewish settlers. it is controversial. i was speaking to a former u.s. israeli ambassador to the u.s., a man who, indeed, is a deputy minister in netanyahu's office and he said look, americans shouldn't be surprised by this because it's been accepted for a decade that in the event of a peace deal, those settlements would be part of israeli land. he says that, but that doesn't mean it's gone down terribly well, certainly not with the palestinians who are very angry. for them, that land is part of their future state. just one more grenade, if you like, in this very controversial election. >> we'll be watching it closely with you. bill neely, our chief global
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correspondent in tel aviv. that is it for me. thank you for watching "velshi and ruhle." i'll see you back here at 3:00 p.m. eastern. now surprise, surprise, katie tur, still with us. >> still with you. >> i love it. >> do you? >> yeah, i do. i do. it's fun. >> i love it too. >> all right. enjoy your next hour and see you. >> see you in an hour. >> it is 11:00 a.m. out west, 2:00 p.m. in washington, faced with a surge in immigrants attemptings to cross the southern border and a protracted border over his border wall, president trump decided according to new reporting from nbc news, that the best way to stem the crisis is to reinstate a policy of separating migrant families. the very same policy that the trump administration last year denied even existed, the same policy that resulted in the separation of some 2800 families, the same policy that the president himself ended with an executive order back in june. two sources tell nbc news that it was kirstjen nielsen's
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refusal to make that reversal that set her at odds with the president for a final time. it is what led to her resignation sunday night. nielsen's exit comes right after trump yanked the nomination of ron vitiello who he tapped to lead i.c.e. >> we're going in a little different direction. ron is a good man, but we're going in a tougher direction. we want to go in a tougher direction. >> go in a tougher direction. already this administration has stymied the legal right to a ply for asylum, deployed thousands of national guard units and active military to the border without a clear understanding of what their mission is, and it has presided over record detention rates with an estimated 50,000 migrants being held in u.s. facilities. the question we are asking today, if the policies that kirstjen nielsen oversaw and enacted at the border were not enough tough enough for president trump what will be tough enough? joining me nbc news national
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security and justice reporter julia ainsley, "washington post" white house reporter and msnbc senior political analyst ashley parker, "washington post" national security reporter nick miroff, and "usa today" immigration reporter allen gomez. to you, julia, what exactly happened over the weekend and what happens next with the president president's desire to reinstate separation? >> with well, nielsen's dismissal was the result of a breaking point between her relationship and the president and apparently this has been culminating over months since january when the president saw the numbers rising at the border he's wanted to do something really tough and the thing in his back pocket what is he did last summer, to separate families as they cross the southern border if the parent crossed illegally he would incarcerate them and send the child to health and human services. he later reversed that in executive order and that's what nielsen brought up, he would be going against court orders for family reunification and his own
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executive order. that's not what the president wanted to hear. she was saying no to this and other ideas that nielsen said were not legally or logistically possible. it seemed she opposed them more on the grounds of logistics than morality. she did supports this policy last summer and even said it wasn't a matter of separating children, just a matter of enforcing lawsuit. so we now know he wants to go in a harder direction with kevin mcaleenan who will be the acting secretary and we've heard that it could be that he is more willing, that some of the options he puts on the table, something he calls a binary choice, where families would be forced to choose between separating or being incarcerated together for long periods of time, perhaps months, as they wait for their asylum case to be heard. >> what do we know about kevin mcaleenan and his desire to enforce something as controversial and as stringent as this? >> yeah. when he spoke publicly about the
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family separation issue he's been very careful to walk that company line, that there was never a quote/unquote family separation policy, that there was simply enforcing immigration enforcement mechanism where the adults had to go to -- the point is he -- it was clear throughout that they knew what the end result is. he has defended that policy throughout. there's nothing in his background that really indicates he's going to come in guns blazing and really try to push for that. he is -- he came up as a lawyer and so he understands the legality of this very well. when you talk to him it's clear he understands the legal ramifications of what's going on. the fact that there's a sitting order from a u.s. district judge banning this practice, and the idea that they would somehow come back and try to do it again, that case is still active, that judge still hearing -- having hearings at least once a month in that case, i think that would be one of the quickest strike downs of trump's immigration policies we've seen. from what we've seen so far he's
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mostly been implementing things nielsen and others ordered. we haven't seen him as the architect just yet. >> for everyone's knowledge, mcaleenan is an obama hold over. he was given the nation's highest civil civil service award from president obama back in 2015. ashley parker, why would the president want to go back to this? it caused so much controversy last summer, so much hand wringing they denied they were even doing it at the time, they said it wasn't as big of a deal, why do they want to go back to this? >> well, at a certain point the president's natural and true instincts on immigration are these tougher, more controversial, more hardline positions. that's always been how he's felt even before he was a politician. if you go back and look at what he said and read what he's written for decades. there is a sort of core gut instinct for a president who on the whole is not that ideological. but another reason is this tough rhetoric, 100% please to his base as he heads in to 2020 and
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that is something that is very much on his mind. so he will often sort of -- he is an expert at kind of identifying and inflaming these populist tensions. immigration is one of these key things and he understand that controversial rhetoric and the controversial actions can sometimes be very popular with his base. the challenge of course is that some of the ramifications can be wildly problematic and unpopular and how can you sort of promise very harsh stuff, but then sort of does he have the stomach and the political ability to actually withstand the real world ramifications and consequences. >> why has there been, nick, such a surge in immigrants trying to cross the southern border in the last few months? it was on the decline during the obama years. why has it popped up as donald trump has endlessly campaigned on stopping immigrants and made it clear that he would see immigration in a hostile way
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with this administration? >> right. what we're seeing right now is a snowballing effect and as you mentioned, during trump's first year in office, the lowest level in half a century. they've been increasing since then particularly as families in central america have figured out and word has been spread throughout their communities and by smuggling organizations that profit from bringing people north, word has spread if you arrive with a child, certainly since the president's executive order ending the separation of families under the zero tolerance policy, if you arrive with a child, that you can expect relatively brief detention and that you will be released into the united states with a notice to appear in court. that has been interpreted in a lot of communities in central america as kind of a permission to temporarily at least enter the united states as long as a child is traveling with an
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adult. so we're seeing now is the kind of snowballing effect of more families leaving and arriving and more families, you know, essentially being allowed to stay for months or years while they wait, you know, for a court hearing. >> the new customs and border agents, the military presence down at the border, what sort of effect is that having and have they gotten clearer marching orders since this all began in the past few days? >> i was talking to a lot of people last night with customs and border protection who say they were worried about a vacuum here. they're having a lot of people who wonder who will take mcaleenan's position as head of customs and border protection. that's the largest law enforcement agency in the country. it runs at 60,000 employees. compared to fbi across the street here which is 35,000 employees. very large, they've had issues with corruption and people who have come into this for the wrong reason and have used their force inappropriately.
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management is key here. and they worry that at a time where they're getting different orders day and night who they turn back and where and how long they keep people and where they release them, they need clear management from washington. all of this comes down from the top and without someone giving them those directions that can get really confusing in a really crucial time right now. you know, another thing i'll point out about this binary option, it could be a work around to that court case we saw earlier. one of the options the judge gave was that they could hold families long enough to be reunified and that could be how this administration gets around it because they're holding people longer so they won't be in violation of their reunification order. >> a reminder for everybody, we talk about this in terms of numbers, but who are these people that are coming across the border? what are they looking for? are they the folks that the president describes? criminals and rapists and murderers and drug dealers?
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>> like with any massive population like this, of course there is going to be a percentage of those that are, but predominantly we're talking about central american families, mostly from guatemala and honduras and the one thing that the president has right is that there has been a seismic shift in the nature of illegal immigration across that southern border. just a few years ago, the vast majority of people who crossed that southern border were mostly mexican males coming over here trying to evade border patrol to enter the country and work. and now what we're seeing is a majority of them are family units or unaccompanied minors who are trying to illegally cross that border, but actively seeking out border patrol agents to request asylum. and as nick was talking about, what they're trying to get away from is a combination of incredible violence in these central american countries, terrible poverty, the entire region has been hit with a drought over the last few years as well that has made food security a big issue, so when you put that all together a lot
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of them are seeing this opportunity to get to the u.s. right now and take advantage of it. >> ashley, there are so many vacancies now in the trump administration or acting heads of various departments. you have mick mulvaney the acting white house chief of staff, john kelly, the acting inspector general, john cohen, acting ambassador to the u.n., david bern hard, acting interior secretary, patrick shanahan, peter gaynor. acting fema administrator. kevin mcaleenan, now only the acting homeland security secretary. and ron vitiello, acting i.c.e. director. so many acting positions, we're also hearing the head of the secret service is out. what's happening behind the scenes there? why can't this administration seem to find a permanent director to so many very crucial agencies? >> well, it speaks to the high rate of turnover under this president because he can be difficult to work for in the way
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he likes to run things. he sort of likes to be the central hub and have people kind of scrambling to please him. he often will grow dissatisfied with people. there's a long history littered with top officials fired by tweet or unexpectedly brought in for a meeting and fired or teased that they were going to be fired for several months, until finally ultimately being fired or resigning. one thing i will say about the acting in a lot of these posts haven't been filled is from the president's point of view, especially from some of those officials who he deals with on a fairly regular basis, he sort of likes it is what i've been told. he thinks it keeps people on edge. when you're acting and don't quite have that job security he thinks it make them more likely to carry out his missions and mandates and hold that little bit of uncertainty over them. there's a little bit of intentionality here that he sort of doesn't mind the high turnover rate and uncertainty that brings. >> julia, why is the secret
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service chief out? what is the latest reporting on that? >> well, you know, it seems there -- it's part of an overall shakeup at the department of homeland security as this administration moves further away who john kelly put in position. kirstjen nielsen came in and my colleague reported text alles who came from that part, the secret service director, came over with john kelly and so it's part of this administration moving further from the people that he brought in, but other than that, no clear answers other than this is something that's been in the works for a long time. >> and according to our own pete williams, this was before that i could niece woman entered mar-a-lago and got past secret service there. julia ainsley, julia, thank you so much. ashley, nick and alan, we appreciate it. still ahead, president obama has advice for progressives who want to beat donald trump. plus, two dozen people shot in
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appearance before congress since he received the mueller report last month. so very clearly we can expect democrats to have more than budget appropriations on their mind. >> william barr will be up on capitol hill talking about justice appropriations, but i have to believe you might have some questions for him about the report? >> yeah. i think it's important we request attorney general barr about the report, about his timing, about the thoroughness of his redaction and about how soon he's going to release it to congress. >> joining me, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken delaney and former u.s. attorney and deputy attorney general harry lipman. ken, as chris coons was saying, democrats will want to ask about more than just budget issues. they will want to ask about the mueller report. what kind of questions should we expect to hear? >> i've been doing reporting on this and told they are coordinating the sorts of questions they want the members to ask william barr and among them are what is taking so long with this report? why haven't we seen it yet?
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what kind of redactions is he doing? remember barr said he's redacting four kind of information, grand jury material, classified material, material about pending criminal investigations and stuff that would impinl on the privacy of figures. democrats are concerned they won't see all the information in this report. now, barr for his part, i don't think plans to answer any of those questions. we've got an peek at his statement and it's about doj budget matters, nothing about the mueller report. he may see you're going to see this in a couple days so stay tuned. barr does understand there is hankering, a demand to see the details of this mueller report and that he should perhaps interpret his redactions mandate narrowly because congress is going to fight to see every last word in the end and if he covers up something substantial it's all going to come out in the wash. >> let me quote this to you, harry, the new york times,
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quoting a duke professor named samuel booul yesterday and says there will be an awful lot of redaction and the question becomes, what is congress going to do about that, he said. it seems to me they could, they can and should go to court. it's not up to the justice department to make the final decision about what congress sees. this is an executive branch versus the legislative branch battle for power, harry? >> that's exactly right. it's going to be a brouhaha about it. the doj will say we don't have any sort of open-ended exception, but the jury committee will say -- judiciary committee will say look what happened in watergate and with ken starr, we have a right to this information. barr knows he will get barraged with this and you will see him at his best kind of firm and non -- unflappable saying i'm not -- you know, stay tuned, et
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cetera. he may give some brief concession at the beginning, but then basically he's going to try to shut it down. he's going to get barrage from all corners about more information when and what he's going to be providing. >> how long will a redaction argument take in the courts? >> that's great question because if you look at the history of the last several years where these battles play out, they actually have -- congress has eventually prevailed but only after the case was mooted out because it took at least a year and that's the issue, that time is not on the side of the democrats and barr knows that and nadler knows that. it's going to be a very interesting kind of tactical point and nadler it's going to be -- it's going to behoove him to have some cooperative solution. it's not clear that will happen. >> harry lipman, ken delaney,
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thank you very much. next up, former president obama has some advice for the 2020 field.
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breaking news, the trump administration is changing an obama era policy that allowed cuban baseball players to sign with mlb teams without players having to defect. joining me now, nbc news national political reporter josh letterman. what is this going to mean? >> well, this means a lot of uncertainty for a deal that was finally reached at the end of last year between the mlb and the cuban baseball federation to facilitate cuban baseball players being able to sign and play on american mlb baseball teams. so in order to do that, it was relying on a ruling that happened during the obama administration back when president obama was trying to restore relations with cuba and have some reproach that said that cuban baseball federation which is basically their equivalent of the mlb isn't part of and run by the cuban government because remember, the u.s. embargo on cuba says that americans cannot do business with the cuban government. so that all happened, it cleared
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the way for the deal at the end of last year and then just a couple weeks ago, cuba released its list of the first players from cuba that were going to be eligible to come and play on u.s. teams without having to actually defect and declare residency in the u.s. now the trump administration is moving to change that underlying opinion about whether the cuban baseball federation is associated with the government and that throws a lot of uncertainty into the future of this landmark deal between the mlb and cuba's baseball association what had cuban players been doing in order to be able to play in the mlb? what did defection entail? >> back in the day, they would have to defect and come and basically declare themselves residents of the u.s. often times they would have to work with really unscrupulous groups, organized crime, the types of groups that deal in trafficking and in, you know, basically getting people out of the country into other countries like the u.s. and it was not the
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best situation. proponents of closer u.s./cuba ties, that want cuba and the u.s. to have a better relationship, say this decision will actually recreate conditions that could risk human rights abuses for cuban baseball players. >> thank you very much. and president obama is weighing in on the 2020 democratic primary sort of. >> one of the things i do worry about sometimes among progressives in the united states, maybe it's true here as well, is a certain kind of rigidity where we say, oh, i'm sorry, this is how it's going to be and then we start sometimes creating what's called a circular firing squad where you start shooting at your allies because one of them is straying
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from purity on the issues. >> but as the race heats up and the stakes get higher will democrats heed that advice? that's a big question. joining me political reporter alex and democratic congressman steve israel the director of cornell's institute of politics and global affairs. alex, the president is -- it seems like he's trying to head democrats off with a pass and warn them if they tear each other down in the primaries, they're going to make it easy for donald trump to win potentially. how do they go to the primaries without trying to differentiate th themselves in a harsh way? >> right. well katie, one issue here is that the people who obama would most like to listen to him are exactly the people least likely to listen to him, the left flank, the activist, the insurgent wing, who might like obama and like him personally and what he represented historically but think his administration didn't go far
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enough in say prosecuting people after the financial crisis or in pushing health care far enough. a lot of the activism we've seen since 2016 has been directly in response to what the obama administration did. i think they're going to listen to something like that and say, of course, that's what obama is going to say and not be a at all dissuaded by that much to the chagrin of many in the party who would like to tone things down and try to get a little more in the mold of what obama had. >> isn't that what primaries are about, the fight over ideas, steve, and sometimes that fight, yes, can not be pretty, but that doesn't mean that it's necessarily a bad fight? am i wrong? >> it gets messy. i shachaired the democratic campaign committee. they're a fact of life. at the end of the day it needs to be about winning as well if you have checks and balances with donald trump. this is an issue, when nancy pelosi is telling my former
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colleagues that their diversity is their strength, but their unity is their power, and i think that's a very important mantra for democrats. there's empirical evidence that unity wins elections. the 2018 midterms elections when democrats turned out their progressive base in blue districts but also won swing voters in purple districts. they won 40 republican seats doing both things. that path has to be replicated in 2020. they can replicate it with unity, maybe they beat president trump. if they get into that circular firing squad i don't think there's hope they will be able to defeat donald trump. >> let's listen to what ali vie telegathered at the conference last week over the weekend. let's listen. >> we have traditionally we shoot our wounded and circular firing squad. we have to at some point, i mean, the old line, the republicans fall in line, the democrats fall in love. we have to sort of say, purity,
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we can't do purity this cycle. no purity. no ideological purity. >> alex, that's a voter at the national action network saying it's a bad idea. >> right. actually polls show that democrats for the first time in years are prioritizing electability over issues, over identity, over other things. that's typically been not what democrats have most focused on. that's something i've encountered talking to voters in iowa and all over the country. there might be a difference in a lower prioritization of issues this time around. the problem, though, is no one really agrees on what electability looks like. the 2016, the margin so close, hillary clinton lost narrowly, a thousand explanations and all the candidates in 2020 will have to not only put forward why they would be the best president and win, but what it means to be electable and what that should look like that we should be
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measuring that against. >> steve, help us, what does electability mean? >> i'll tell you, 35% of the american electorate right now is locked in for donald trump. they love him no matter what. 45% of the american electe is locked in against donald trump, they hate him, no matter what. what is electability? it's the 20% who haven't figured it out. it's the 20% who voted for trump in 2016 and voted for a democratic majority. electability is whatever candidate can appeal to that 20%, that's the path to the presidency. that's what electionibility looks like. >> who is that candidate? is it a candidate talking about policy, middle wage, middle-class wages, somebody like elizabeth warren, bernie sanders going more progressive, talking about free college tuition, or is it a more moderate candidate? is it an amy klobuchar saying you can't get everything you want, but i can promise i will speak the truth about what we can get done? cory booker? kamala harris?
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beto o'rourke? who is that candidate? >> that's the question of the day and probably the question the next year and a-. i would argue that candidate who can resonate on issues that matter to them in battleground counties. we're not talking about a national election. an electoral college strategy. you got to win pennsylvania and win swing voters in western pennsylvania. you have to win florida which means you have to win swing voters in hillsborough. which ever wins is a candidate that will resonate on issues that those voters are concerned with. i'll say this, take minnesota, if you're on the iron range you have to be talking about steel. if you're in the twin cities talking about soy. that's what wins. >> steve and alex, thank you very much. and we got some more breaking news from the white house on this very busy day. on who exactly is going to take over as chief of the secret service. hans nichols is with us.
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hans? >> it's james murray. he is a career secret service official. the president's press secretary sarah sanders just putting out a statement on this thanking alles for all of his service and naming the new person as james m. murray. he worked in the secret service field office here in washington, involved some tax fraud cases. looks like they're going inside the secret service to take a career official to lead this agency. a little bit of the latest reporting on why alles may have left, according to pete williams, the decision was made about 10 to 14 days ago, so before the break-in reported in mar-a-lago by that chinese national with all that computer equipment, so it looks like the departure of alles isn't related to a single event and now they have a new name and person they're going to send to capitol hill. >> hans nichols, thank you very much. and up next, what should abhor fiing weekend in chicago,
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the chest. >> i'm sorry, it's just -- i can't get this out of my head. this boy was -- he was at least no older than 10 years old and he was literally in front of my feet with a gunshot wound to his chest and his mother was just putting pressure on him. >> joining me nbc news correspondent ron mot and criminal justice correspondent cheryl corley. three children were shot and three children did not die. my apologies for error. >> ron what's going on in chicago? >> it got warm this weekend katie, and these are like deep summer numbers, 24 people being -- shooting victims over the weekend. one thing to keep in mind from a crime standpoint, chicago police and the city have done a pretty good job at sort of curbing those numbers. we're down if you look at statistics from 2016 until 2019, we're down about almost 50% in shootings and homicides. that's a pretty good deal that the city can celebrate. the problem is, and i asked
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mayor elect about this last week, she says these are still much larger numbers than we want to have in this city. 24 people shot over the weekend should alarm anybody. one thing about chicago, a perception around the country, these are targeted shootings in the vast majority of cases on the west and south side of chicago. we're not seeing that in downtown areas and other parts of town. these are tit for tat shootings, retaliatory shootings, like the example you mentioned yet about the people standing outside the baby shower. police put out a tweet saying they are not having cooperation with the people who were the alleged victims in this case. >> wow. >> that's been a problem throughout the years here in the city is that the police show up to investigate these crimes, and a lot of people basically say we didn't see anything even though they did. >> why is that? >> well, a couple reasons. number one, i think that there is a distrust of police in these communities. a lot of times police come in and people say they're not
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treated with respect. secondly, there's some fear on the part of folks who are being asked to cooperate in gang retaliation situations when that might actually put them in jeopardy. you have a couple reasons why folks might not cooperate with the police. >> but shootings have been down in chicago. why are they rising again, and i guess the fol jup questi-- foll question, what is the new mayor's plan to do about it? >> i think typically in the summer we see an increase in shootings just because the weather is better. chicago is cold in the winter. people aren't outside. so you see this happening. but i think, you know, what was mentioned earlier that we have to put in perspective here, chicago has this reputation as a city, ever since the days of al capone, but look at it statistically, per capita, the violent crime rates aren't nearly as high as many other
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cities. what's important here is the numbers and the numbers are huge in a city of nearly 3 million people. especially when you compare it to new york and l.a., which see a much lower rate of murders. i think what the mayor-elect wants to do is to pay attention to some of the root causes of violence, that's what she says is needed, and she talks about bringing small businesses into communities which have a high poverty rate high unemployment rate which are causing some of the crime that occurs. better schools. but these are all kind of long range plans she has. >> yeah. >> she knows you have to address the violence first in order to bring people in and business in to these distressed communities. >> let's play a little bit of my colleague craig melvin's interview with laurie lightfoot, the mayor elect. >> summer is coming and one of the most deadly times in our city, but i'm determined to make sure that we do what's necessary to stem the violence.
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that means we've got to start investing in our people and neighborhoods. a lot of the violence we're seeing, really crimes of poverty. >> more immediate action, though, she's talking about when you talk about more immediate action, ron, what about is there a possibility of curfews? what can be done in the short term in chicago's south side to address the summer months that are coming and is anything being considered? >> i don't think lori lightfoot is thinking about curfews at this point. that would probably be a pretty unpopular choice. kids are in school another eight weeks and they want to be outside and grow and play safely outside in their neighborhoods. i think the mayor elect coming in wants to see this as a bigger problem than a law enforcement issue that there are some underpinnings here driving people to go around their neighborhoods, shooting at one another. one of the things and this is a frustration i think for all the administrators in the city their clearance rate for these crimes is really low.
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in the 20% range. so i've asked the police superintendent multiple times how do you expect to keep people from shooting at one another when they have some reasonable confidence no one is going to call the police and turn them in. so this, you know, this shooting, this disturbing shooting outside the baby shower apparently they're not getting cooperation from the group shot at and the fear is that group is going to go back to the group that fired the shots and create another cycle of violence here. they've got a lot of issues to deal with, the mayor coming in she's got her hands full. >> how do you get the guns off the streets? >> that's exactly what superintendent is asking for. he wants tougher laws for folks who carry illegal guns. the police department focuses on police seizing guns. they've seized about 2,000 guns so far this year. last year they seized 9500 guns, illegal guns. what the police superintendent and the current mayor have
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called for is tougher laws, legislation aimed at folks who carry illegal guns. >> ron and cheryl, thank you, guys very much. >> you're welcome. can president trump help benjamin netanyahu win in israel again? that is next. yes.
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netanyahu seemed to all but abandon a two-state solution. instead he promised to extend sovereignty over the west bank if he is re-elected. this is just one of many moves by netanyahu to the right as he is facing criminal indictment. and many believe this was made easier by an american president who isn't really pushing back. president trump himself has made a series of decisions that have endured him to the prime minister and many israeli voters. that includes the u.s. withdrawal from the u.n. nuclear deal and the u.s. embassies, the move to jerusalem and the president's recognition of israel's authority over the heights. quote king bb was their prime minister. >> i stood with your prime minister at the white house to
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recognize israely sovereignty over the. >> only your prime minister if you live in israel, for the record. joining me now bill neely. bill, it's going to be a close election. netanyahu talking about the west bank and talking about not annexation, necessarily, but sovereignty over the west bank. it's being seen as made possible, made easier by the fact that donald trump is president. >> yeah. i mean, i think that's true. it was in one sense benjamin netanyahu pressing the panic button. making a promise like that that if he was re-elected, he would begin that annexation. he is in a very close race. the opinion polls, if they're to be believed and we should be skeptical, of course, they all say it's neck and neck.
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benjamin netanyahu the man who stands like a colossus really over israeli politics going for his fifth term in office. neck and neck with a man who never ran in an election before. a man he used to give orders to. the former chief of the israeli army. he told me a couple nights ago, three times in 12 seconds, in fact, i'm confident of winning. and, indeed, netanyahu, was out on the streets today saying he is winning, so you better vote for me. the trump factor, as you say, is huge. moved the u.s. embassy from te l aviv to jerusalem and gave benjamin netanyahu another gift. so, trump is a key factor in this election. >> secretary of state mike pompeo is also deciding to designate the islamic revolutionary guide as a foreign
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terrorist organization. how is that being received in israel? >> that will be welcomed by all sides. let's not say gantz stands on the left. he has been as strong as anybody and as former chief of the israeli army, he knows what the stakes are. if he were to win, you know, not as if president trump would have an enemy in the israeli prime minister's office. he would not. he would certainly be able to deal with benny gantz. as well as revolutionary guard a hardening in iran. the revolutionary guard has fingers in every single pie in iran. it is an arm of state. so to designate this
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multi-billion dollar entity with tens of thousands of members as a terror organization, obviously, will not go down well in tehran and here in tel aviv and jerusalem, it certainly is going down very well. remember, katy, you know, in no country in the world is donald trump more popular than in israel. in fact, somebody said to me yesterday, if donald trump was to run here with nikki haley as his deputy, he would be elected and not benjamin netanyahu. >> what happens if benny gantz wins? what does that mean for donald trump's relationship with israel? >> oh, i think donald trump's relationship with israel is rock solid. i don't think gantz represents any kind of a threat. trump and netanyahu go back a long way. they go back to new york in the
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1980s when benjamin netanyahu was israeli ambassador to the u.n. they have a long and deep friendship. netanyahu is so thankful to have trump in the white house as opposed to president obama who clearly didn't get. in netanyahu's final tweet of the day was to thank my dear friend president trump for doing just what you were talking about. designating the revolutionary guard. the relationship there is very tight, but president trump just a couple days ago said that they were both, both gantz and netanyahu, both good people. so, i think if gantz were to win. you know, i think president trump would still have a friend here in jerusalem. >> bill neely in tel aviv. bill neely, thank you very much. breaking news. more breaking news. several americans are dead after a bombing near bangram in
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afghanistan. is. >> we know this was a vehicle ied. an explosion in a vehicle. it was just outside of bagram air base. three u.s. service members were killed and one contractor was also killed. we don't know the nationality of that individual and three more service members were wounded in that attack. it happened earlier today outside of bagram. the u.s. special envoys engaged in intense negotiations to negotiate some sort of peace settlement in that country, which has been torn apart by war for nearly two decades now, katy. >> what is the latest for our
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troops overseas there. i know the president doesn't necessarily want to keep them there indefinitely. do we have any update on what the status is for our involvement in afghanistan? >> so, the u.s. military there is really throwing all their weight behind these negotiations in that they are working to support him in any way that they can. president trump has not made it a secret that he's not interested in keeping u.s. troops there forever and he wants them out soon. but the u.s. government is also really looking to see how he can come to an agreement that could potentially lead to some sort of a decrease in the u.s. troop involvement there. >> courtney, thank you so much. we'll stay on the story. we appreciate it. and ali velshi. 2:58:30. >> you are just putting in an extra hour. you are definitely going to put
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in -- >> they are normal hours. >> they are normal hours. as i have said to you before, i would not work after four months of pregnancy. and every guy i looked at said, i wouldn't either. >> staying home and being uncomfortable. it is much better to be here. i love my job. >> you are proving it. you are a great journalist and going to keep on doing it. >> what are you leading with today? >> we are going to start with the stuff going on at the white house. >> the secret service chief. >> the removal of the secret service xhechief. >> what is most fascinating today the president wants to go back to the decision to separate families and wants to try again and wow. and make it a 2020 issue. i think he thinks he can win on that. win on being the toughest. >> yeah. >> the meanest. >> we'll see you at 5:00. thanks, friend. chaos at dhs. that's how hans nichols describes the situation at the white house and continues to
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make major changes. the latest to go is the director of the u.s. secret service randolph alles. less than 24 hours ago, homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen announced her resignation from that post and now learning from three officials that the president may remove or reassign the current acting deputy clare mcgrady. the latest shakeups leave a number of vacancies at the top level of homeland security department. a department whose mission is to ensure that our homeland is safe, secure and resilient against terrorism and other hazards. no conformed secretary and no confirmed deputy, no head of i.c.e. and no inspector general and come wednesday custom and border protection will no longer have a commissioner because trump named the man who held that position as the acting dhs secretary. politico reports that steven mill

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